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First the road, next the power…

Sunday, November 8th, 2009

We’re now the possessors of a level access road onto our land!

Okay, it doesn’t sound much but it’s definitely an improvement on driving on mud, especially given the amount of rain we’ve had recently. The weather here in Greece is definitely moving towards winter, and much wetter than it has been in recent years. Not only do we have a decent road on our land, we’ve had the agricultural track that leads to it levelled and given a top covering, so we no longer have to avoid the nasty rocks sticking up when we’re driving along.

It still amazes me that people can just dig up or resurface these country tracks without asking for permission. But then, who’s going to refuse when the outcome for them is a better road surface at no cost?

Not only did we surface the road, we laid a water pipe ready for connection from the mains, and this means we need to start planning what we’re going to do with the land. We don’t have a mains electricity supply, and this could be expensive to put in given the Greek systems. But we live in a land where the sun still shines most of the time, even if it’s becoming less predictable this time of year. Plus we get some sort of breeze most days, ranging from gentle to pretty strong.

Add this to our desire to use as many green elements as possible in our living solution, and our eagerness to be as involved as we can in whatever we decide to do and solar energy systems with complementary windmills become an obvious choice. We should be able to generate all the power we need from these renewable energy sources. And we’ve found that it’s nowhere near as complicated as we thought to really get involved and build your own solar panels and windmills.

Check out this video for a taster of what I mean:

If a 12 yr old can do it, surely we can!

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Holy Ghosts and Bureaucrats

Sunday, June 7th, 2009

We’ve finally become the owners of a little piece of mainland Greece.

Some day soon this will be the view from our terrace

Some day soon this will be the view from our terrace

It was months ago when we first viewed the plot of land we hoped to buy. Early disappointment ensued when the seller took it off the market for reasons to do with EU grants, retirement and farmers’ entitlements, which we never really got to the bottom of.

So a few months later when it came back on sale we didn’t get our hopes up. We paid our deposit and waited for the bureaucracy to take its course: surveys, checks, legal searches etc., with the knowledge that things could go wrong at any stage, or the seller could pull out again. We greeted progress updates calmly, knowing that in Greece, plans don’t always come to fruition at the time, or in the way, expected.

In early May we were told things should be completed ‘in a couple of weeks’, which we translated to a more realistic time frame of the end of May. At the beginning of June we made a first payment towards land taxes and legal fees, and were told everything should be completed on Friday 4th. Then early on Friday morning we heard there could be a delay until the middle of next week.

Why? Firstly, the European elections being held this weekend meant the Notary might not be available for other duties; and secondly it is Pentecost (Holy Ghost Day) on Monday, thus a public holiday.

So we were pleasantly surprised to find ourselves in the Notary’s office at noon on Friday having documents read out to us by a translator, and signing paper after paper that sealed the deal.

All in all a painless process, and an interesting one.

Land sold in Greece has its value assessed by the relevant government department. Value is based on factors such as whether a site has access to services such as electricity, water and sewage; how close it is to a town or village; and how close it is to the sea,  and doesn’t necessarily bear any relationship to the price being paid for the land.

Our plot lacks water and electricity, is exactly 1km from the village boundary, and several km from the sea, although with excellent views both across to the mountains of the Mani and out into the Aegean. We’re probably no more than 10 minutes from a sandy beach. Takingall these factors into account, the valuation is significantly lower than the price we’re paying.

Our agent has recently sold a piece of land which, because it’s in quite a remote area without electricity, water or decent roads, was very competitively priced. However the valuation department thought otherwise. The plot is close to the sea – not to a beach or an accessible area of coast, but to rugged cliffs. Unfortunately this type of subtlety isn’t taken into account in land valuations: close to the sea means close to the sea, and that is a factor that increases the valuation. In this case, the official valuation is twice what the land cost.

A curious system applies whereby it is up to the buyer to decide what to officially declare as the price they paid for their land. Anything between the official valuation and the actual price paid can be declared. The usual guidance is to declare a price a little above the valuation, but below the actual purchase price. It’s a swings and roundabouts situation: land taxes are calculated based on the declared price, so the lower we go, the less tax we pay. But if there turns out to be a problem with the land, we can only get our money back up to the amount we have declared.

So the choice is between paying more taxes with a guarantee of getting all your money back if things go wrong, and trusting that the lawyers have done their job properly, the seller’s legal declarations (free from mortgage, right to sell etc.) are true, and no-one will come out of the woodwork claiming they actually own the land, not the seller. Happily for us our real estate agent guarantees to refund all our money if anything goes wrong, so we’re able to take advantage of the system to legally save several thousands of euros in taxes.

But those other purchasers are in a less fortunate situation. They have to declare the full purchase price of the land and then have to pay taxes on twice this amount, despite not actually gaining any benefit from their proximity to the sea. If anything goes wrong the whole amount they have paid would be recoverable from the seller, but not those additional taxes. A good reason to buy land just a few km from the sea.

Now we have to make a final decision about exactly what to do next. Watch this space…

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The Trouble with Living on a Building Site

Tuesday, December 23rd, 2008

I’m really tired and grumpy today. And with good reason, I think.

We’re living in an apartment that’s part of a small complex which also includes an office, a small holiday apartment and a larger, yet to be finished apartment upstairs for our landlady’s family to move into. Almost 3 weeks ago our landlady told us they were going to be finishing concreting the floors in the upstairs apartment so they could get the windows in. It would take just 2 or 3 days but could be a bit noisy and messy.

She’d told the workers not to start too early because she knew we weren’t early risers. We’re late at getting to bed most nights, and as we rarely have any need to be up early, we make up for it by laying in most mornings.

Fair enough, we thought. We knew we were living in an unfinished building so expected some disturbance, and 2 or 3 days is manageable.

It's not all pictures of paradise here in Greece

It's not all pictures of paradise here in Greece

It all started well enough, and we watched the bags of sand and cement being hoisted up to the roof, together with a small concrete mixer. She was right about the noise: concrete isn’t much good for soundproofing. We could hear the sound of the mixer churning almost constantly for a couple of days, making us shout to one another even though we were only sitting a few feet apart. We were woken around 8.10 am (they start work at 8.00, so 8.10 was judged to be ‘not too early’) and the work went on till around 4 pm.

But as promised it took just 3 days. Then there was peace again, or so we thought.

A day or two later we were just getting back into the habit of waking up slowly when loud scraping and hammering noises started above our heads. These carried on all day, then the next day, then the next… It always seemed to be right over our heads as though they were trying to wake us as early as possible. They even came to work on Sunday, the one day we thought we’d get some peace. At least we didn’t get woken until 9.00 that morning.

We thought some heavy rain must have affected the concrete, or they’d done something wrong and were having to chip it all off and start over again (although why they wouldn’t just put a thin layer over the top was beyond us). They’re certainly making enough noise to make us believe they were taking around 100 square meters of concrete up a chip at a time.

And it’s carried on for the last 19 days (yes, I’ve been counting), except when it’s been raining heavily. It’s like an alarm clock: around 8.10 every morning the chipping starts, regular as clockwork.

Nobody’s said why it’s taking so much longer than anticipated, but we popped upstairs today to see just what was happening. Not only have the floors been concreted, the walls and ceilings have been rough plastered, which accounts for all the scraping. Greeks put recesses into the walls for electrical sockets when they’re building rather than chopping shapes out of the plaster later. It looks like the plasterer went straight over the recesses so each one had to have the plaster chipped out of it again, which accounts for all the hammering.

Seems we have to learn to interpret things loosely rather taking something at face value. But then we’ve been promised delivery of our car insurance certificate ‘later this week’ for the last 6 weeks at least, so we really should know the score by now…

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